Sidekick 的網摘:NTSCMP事件簿

sidekick 並不懂技術問題,就是因為沒有能力,
所以只能將”紛云的眾說”都放在一起,
由讀者自行定奪。

主角:NTSCMP.com (via proxy server)

20060918:
Mister Bijou: Hong Kong: Internet censorship (part I)

20060919:
Mister Bijou: Hong Kong: Internet censorship (part II), Hong Kong: Internet censorship (part III)
東南西北:A Case of Hong Kong Internet Censorship
船山筆記:香港ISP也有網絡封殺?

20060920:
Letters from China: 李澤楷法中共封網站乎?

20060921:
東南西北:The NTSCMP Affair, The Duke Speaks
Mister Bijou: Hong Kong: Internet censorship (IV), Hong Kong: Internet censorship (V)
Global Voices China: Hong Kong: GFW in HK?
香港仔公國:我不清楚,但我也關注
Just a Sidekick……: 香港的GFW?
InMediaHK:電訊盈科查禁搞笑網站
Flagrant harbour: Is Netvigator censoring NTSCMP?

20060922:
東南西北:Apple Daily Reports on NTSCMP.com
Mister Bijou: Hong Kong: Internet censorship (VI),
船山筆記:Some thoughts on ntscmp affair
:Perspectives from cubicle:長和系 GFW 疑雲
艾薇.天空:李氏家族妨礙網絡自由?
Steve’s Thought:香港的GFW﹗?
Charles Mok 可圈可點:蘋果日報: 網上行及和記用戶不能登入 反李嘉誠網站遭封殺
ICE: Internet Censorship Explorer: HK Filtering? Or Just an Error?
蘋果日報0922港聞版:網上行及和記用戶不能登入 反李嘉誠網站遭封殺 

20060923:
東南西北:Chinese Government Suspected of Blocking NTSCMP.com
Mister Bijou: Hong Kong: Internet censorship (VII), Hong Kong: Internet censorship (VIII)
Charles Mok 可圈可點: 蘋果日報:反李嘉誠網站事件跟進
蘋果日報0923港聞版:反李嘉誠網站遭封殺疑涉中央

20060924:
聞.見.思.錄:雜記兩則
東南西北:The Evidence on the NTSCMP.com Block , 69.49.101.19,

20060925:
Mister Bijou: The NTSCMP Affair
東南西北:The Internet Society Report on NTSCMP.com
  
20060926:
東南西北:Netizen Opinion on NSTCAMP.com case
蘋果日報0926財經版:案內人隨筆:ISP 形象差食死貓

20060928:
Mister Bijou: The NTSCMP Affair: Hong Kong Internet Society

20061002:
Doug Crets, Fluorescent Paradise @ CNET Asia: So Not The Censorship on NTSCMP  

20061003:
Mister Bijou: The NTSCMP Affair: Access all routes?
 
20061006:
Mister Bijou: The NTSCMP Affair: Final Words

20061014:
蘋果日報1014港聞版:熱爆網:諷李家網站解封網民勝利

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14 thoughts on “Sidekick 的網摘:NTSCMP事件簿

  1. 我唔熟單生..

    莫生我都唔熟,但作為一家isp的創辦人,不可能ISP的結構和運作沒有認識(難道一開波就成team人?別忘記hknet是早期的ISP,自己不是網路專才的話實在難以成功),作為創辦人更加沒可能從來沒有「落手落腳」去處理routing問題。

    單生並非ISP的專才(正如我所見的網上大部份對此事評論者一樣),在網路技術的範籌,就算他如何乜乜物物,其調查的可信性和一個由零開始建立出一家ISP的人(一個由早到晚,發夢都對住一堆router的人)的調查是沒法比的。

  2. Kli,

    追加:在技術問題上「講野有冇point」,並非行外人可以輕易判斷。

    係囉!
    咁樣, 綜合以上幾十個link, 到底有冇人可以用淺白o既方法, 講到俾我知到底係咩一回事呀?? :?::eek:

  3. 兩個字:鬧劇
    1.伺服器在外國,封包未必經到路由器,過到香港(讀書好似教過下)
    (簡單D講,有條路,十年都冇人行一次,就冇人會花時間整條路出黎)
    2.ISP推,伺服器公司又推,邊個真,邊個假?冇人查過,
    講真推係大多數公司慣用手法。無理由A話唔關我事就唔查佢
    3.影響範圍:有D話香港既睇唔到,有D外國都話睇唔到
    影響範圍有幾大,冇人查,最好就係先知道伺服器起邊,再叫有冇網友住起附近,試下上就知咩事。
    4.影響時間:幾時開始件事,網主幾時知個網比人封佐,又好似冇人知
    5.網主伺服器性質:有冇流量限制,網主本身會唔會將伺服器作其他用途,又係唔知?

    咁多唔知,真係冇人知

  4. 綜合所看過的文章,Charles Mok所寫的最清楚 – 亦最中肯。

    簡單來說,三個可能性(但無法證實哪一個):

    1. ISP搵人阻截部份網上行及和記用戶訪問該網站。
    2. 該網站搵人阻截部份網上行及和記用戶訪問該網站。
    3. 有第三者阻截部份網上行及和記用戶訪問該網站。

    除非在網站及ISP之間的network segment裝上packet sniffer,否則無法證實是以上哪一個問題 – 但肯定的是,ISP並沒有以Firewall形式去阻止用戶訪問該網站(即最原先對ISP的指控並不成立)。

  5. Steve Wong 那邊, 看到他說:

    看來 George Adams 應該向他 hosting company 的投訴﹗

    但在The NTSCMP ,卻看到這一段:

    NETVIGATOR AND HGC USERS : SUPPORT OUR COURT ACTION !!

    Our legal advisers tell us that it is best to challenge Netvigator and HGC in the first instance for non-provision of service, denying a legitimate expectation of provision of access to a legal and bona fide site like NTSCMP on their networks, despite numerous and widely circulated requests to do so, such provision being an implied term of the service agreement overriding any exclusion clauses. If you are a Netvigator or HGC user please contact NTSCMP immediately should you wish to join this action or provide support to it, financial, moral or otherwise. In providing your name and experiences in support of the court action, there is absolutely no obligation to join the court action itself.

  6. 剛收到netvigator 的 e-mail:

    With regards to your last email about the website (www.ntscmp.com).
    Inform by our backend engineering department, the problem had been
    resolved. Please kindly try to access again.

    真的,我已可直接到ntscmp.com的網站了!
    然後,在ntscmp.com,我看到這段:

    WHY NO ACTION FROM NETVIGATOR?

    Despite having received at least 100 consumer complaints, been criticised in two Apple Daily articles and reported by dozens of people to OFTA, NTSCMP still remains largely unavailable on Netvigator and HGC but mysteriously enough, NTSCMP has been restored to the computers at Pacific Coffee we highlighted last week. The network leading to NTSCMP seems to have been hacked, possibly by a third party, yet this does not explain why Netvigator and HGC are almost the only sufferers. It also does not explain why Netvigator has told all complainants that there is no problem. Critics of Netvigator say that they would not be foolish enough to place a stop on their own server directly. Through their unwillingness to investigate and fix the problem Netvigator is in fact placing a block on access to NTSCMP. This could have been the strategy all along, say cynics: place or exploit a block somewhere else on the network by for example bombarding the NTSCMP server with spam or suspicious requests. The firewall of the server then springs into action to deny access. Then Netvigator pleads that it is not their problem. But it is.

  7. 今天收到ofta.gov.hk 的e-mail:

    With reference to your earlier complaint on blocking of access at the website http://www.ntscmp.com, we would like to reply as follow:

    This Office has made enquiries to PCCW-IMS Limited and Hutchison Global Communications Limited regarding the issue. However, there is no evidence showing that they have wilfully blocked the website “www.ntscmp.com”. Therefore, this Office cannot take any regulatory action under the Telecommunications Ordinance at this stage. We will continue to monitor the situation.

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